Kristine: not alone

[Rosetta]

Dear Kristine, A big hug for you.  I'm so concerned about the information you posted and how difficult it is for you to make the choices you are making.  It's very scary, I know.  Hoping for the best for you.  --Rosetta

[Kristine]

14 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

Dear Kristine, A big hug for you.  I'm so concerned about the information you posted and how difficult it is for you to make the choices you are making.  It's very scary, I know.  Hoping for the best for you.  --Rosetta

Thank you Rosetta, I'm sorry I haven't been to your thread for i while. I'm not doing so well in that department!  Dr Parker was able to recognise in the mid 1990's that his own patients that were on a Prozac (or Paxil) combination with an amphetamine had a similar symptom pattern.  However, many of his colleagues would also recognise this symptom pattern...but instead of isolating the cause to a drug interaction, they would diagnose their patients with Bipolar...more drugs  maybe this is yet another discovery that psychiatry is attempting to bury.  Another civil law suit....or maybe I'm overreacting! 

Sending you hugs. Love K xo

[Altostrata]

On 2/20/2018 at 3:56 PM, Kristine said:

Hey All, I have decided to decrease my afternoon dose of dexamphetamine by 20%...my blood pressure has steadily been increasing over the past year...used to be 125/80 and now on average is 170/90, my heart rate sits between 80-100 (all at rest).  I'm sweating, have nausea, vomited this morning. I am shaking.  Headache is relentless, I am so physically weak.  I am very concerned that I have been suffering from long term dexamphetamine toxicity.  I have explained my reasoning behind this in recent posts. I need to do something. Love K xo

 

On 2/20/2018 at 4:03 PM, Kristine said:

Current afternoon dose of dexamphetamine 2.25mg...decrease by 20% =  1.8mg = Reduce from 2.8ml to 2.3ml 

 

Hi, Kristine. Please be careful about dramatic changes.

 

Your last change was decreasing the 40mg Prozac to 20mg on January 31. As Prozac has a very long half-life, the change should be reaching steady-state just about now. Your body has been metabolizing Prozac, it's now at a 20mg level in your bloodstream.

 

How has your symptom pattern changed since January 31?

 

I have spent many hours on the P450 cytochrome system. It's fascinating stuff. Please note that if dexamphetamine and Prozac competitively inhibit each other, they block each other's metabolism. It's just as likely the dex has caused an oversaturation of Prozac as Prozac has caused an oversaturation of dex. Either way, serotonin toxicity is possible -- but it resolves when the drug burden is reduced.

 

With less Prozac blocking the way, the dex level should also decrease. (However, this inhibition might also have slowed the metabolism of Prozac from your January 31 decrease. More improvements due to less Prozac may still occur.)

 

You may wish to make a map of all your drugs and the P450 cytochromes they utilize.

 

Did you decrease only your afternoon dose of dex by 20%?

 

Please be careful and keep notes.

 

[Kristine]

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Hi, Kristine. Please be careful about dramatic changes.

 

Your last change was decreasing the 40mg Prozac to 20mg on January 31. As Prozac has a very long half-life, the change should be reaching steady-state just about now. Your body has been metabolizing Prozac, it's now at a 20mg level in your bloodstream.

 

How has your symptom pattern changed since January 31?

Thank you Alto, I'm trying to be careful whilst making the best logical choices with the information I can find...

My symptom pattern....I'll write it in the preferred format, but firstly ....the dystonia symptoms have almost gone since reducing the Prozac on the 31st of January . I get some muscle spasms but only if I get a fright (loud high pitched sounds are the worst).  

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Did you decrease only your afternoon dose of dex by 20%?

Yes, so another 10% decrease in total (21st Feb). My rationale was that it might also help resolve some sleep issues.  Not ideal, I know  ....but I've noticed my nausea has decreased (just a bit queasy but okay), bowel movements have improved and for the past two nights I have slept in and got 6 hours, uninterrupted sleep, both nights. 

 

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

I have spent many hours on the P450 cytochrome system. It's fascinating stuff. Please note that if dexamphetamine and Prozac competitively inhibit each other, they block each other's metabolism. It's just as likely the dex has caused an oversaturation of Prozac as Prozac has caused an oversaturation of dex. Either way, serotonin toxicity is possible -- but it resolves when the drug burden is reduced.

 

With less Prozac blocking the way, the dex level should also decrease. (However, this inhibition might also have slowed the metabolism of Prozac from your January 31 decrease. More improvements due to less Prozac may still occur.)

It is fascinating...and obviously poorly understood or ignored in the medical arena.  I've started to go cross eyed trying to decipher CYP450 and 2D6 liver pathways/pipes/drains/mice studies  I'm no scientist and this little duck feels stuck!  Alto, are there any resources/ researchers/ authors which you would recommend? Or just a general poke in the right direction! 

 

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

You may wish to make a map of all your drugs and the P450 cytochromes they utilize.

This is a great idea. Thank you  I think I'll do this literally...I'm a visual learner...so it might be time to get some butchers paper, stick it on the wall...write it all out.  I find the more I understand the easier this process becomes.  

 

1 hour ago, Altostrata said:

Please be careful and keep notes.

I'll continue my notes and be as careful as I can weighing up the pros and cons....I'll write a symptom list with times and doses tomorrow.

 

Thank you for your time Alto. It is greatly appreciated. 

Love. K xo

[Altostrata]

I've used graph paper for a P450 cyp map. You also have to take into account half-lives.

 

For more info, use search in our Journals forum for Preskorn (the dean of drug-drug interactions via P450) or Urichuk or Flockhart.

 

There are also individual genetically determined variations in liver enzyme production. Fast metabolizers can handle high doses of ridiculous drug cocktails for a good while until, finally, their saturation point is reached and they become sick. We have several active members in this situation. You might well be a fast metabolizer via one liver enzyme or more, this is how your doctors, quite irresponsibly, managed to load you up with so many drugs.

 

Please note that drug-drug interactions may also take place along other pathways than competition for liver enzymes -- but in general, those are even more poorly understood.

[JustCallMeJane]

Just popping in to say hi... HI! 

 

I have been reading, trying to understand all your WDs and amazed you're still standing through all of this. Hope you're doing better. HUGS!!! 

[Kristine]

3 hours ago, Altostrata said:

I've used graph paper for a P450 cyp map. You also have to take into account half-lives.

 

For more info, use search in our Journals forum for Preskorn (the dean of drug-drug interactions via P450) or Urichuk or Flockhart.

 

There are also individual genetically determined variations in liver enzyme production. Fast metabolizers can handle high doses of ridiculous drug cocktails for a good while until, finally, their saturation point is reached and they become sick. We have several active members in this situation. You might well be a fast metabolizer via one liver enzyme or more, this is how your doctors, quite irresponsibly, managed to load you up with so many drugs.

 

Please note that drug-drug interactions may also take place along other pathways than competition for liver enzymes -- but in general, those are even more poorly understood.

Thank you so very much Alto.  This process is so difficult to navigate.  I feel like you have just placed a priceless compass in my hand. I am beyond grateful...navigation has just become a little easier. Much Love K. 

[Kristine]

3 hours ago, Longestroadhome said:

Kristine I am so thankful for the information you have posted. A lot of it goes over my head but what remains has really had an impact. The liver is an amazing organ!

 

As a recovering alcoholic I am fully aware of the damage done to the liver by alcohol abuse. Thankfully in my case the damage was only just starting to show up on blood test and from what I understand the liver is very good at healing. I think the combination of alcohol and psychiatric drugs is a dangerous one. And from what you have written it is obvious that multi drugging plays a significant role too. 

 

Please continue to research! Knowledge is power.  

Hey, LRH...most of it goes over my head as well!  Alto pointed me in the right direction with some resources which will help enormously. No reading today however, as I've been hit with a mammoth migraine. In the past I've taken mersyndol but this contains codeine and a antihistamine which will just add to the drug interaction issue. I was wondering (if you don't mind) if you had any words of wisdom about treating migraines?...you have such a vast knowledge of herbal/natural remedies.  At present I'm in a dark room, peppermint oil in infuser and a cold flannel on my head.  I should probably take some paracetamol and ibuprofen  Love K...I need to visit your thread! I've been hopeless in this department! Xo

[Kristine]

33 minutes ago, JustCallMeJane said:

Just popping in to say hi... HI! 

 

I have been reading, trying to understand all your WDs and amazed you're still standing through all of this. Hope you're doing better. HUGS!!! 

Hi my friend  thank you for dropping by. It's all a bit of a dogs breakfast. Actually, I don't spend a lot of time standing ..in the horizontal position mostly!  Seriously though...thank you for all your support and kindness...nausea is much better, dystonia is mostly gone and sleep has improved (huge win). Still plagued by tremors, headaches (migraine today) and sweating buckets. And the usual other BS.  But it's changing and I am definitely much better than I was 3 months ago. I hope your progress is continuing..you are often in my thoughts. Much Love and hugs. K xo

[Rosetta]

1 hour ago, Kristine said:

It's all a bit of a dogs breakfast.

 

Although I have never heard that expression before, I would agree.  I'm glad to hear you feel better than 3 months ago, but that's pretty much an indictment of your doctor's unethical and irresponsible actions indeed!  I'll be thinking of you! -- Rosetta

[Kristine]

8 minutes ago, Rosetta said:

1 hour ago, Kristine said:

It's all a bit of a dogs breakfast.

 

Although I have never heard that expression before, I would agree.  I'm glad to hear you feel better than 3 months ago, but that's pretty much an indictment of your doctor's unethical and irresponsible actions indeed!  I'll be thinking of you! -- Rosetta

Lol..I'm fond of slang! Thank you Rosetta..thinking of you as well 

 

Origin: Since the 1930’s, the saying “dog’s breakfast” has been used in the U.K. and Commonwealth countries as slang for “a complete mess.”  First recorded instance is from Eric Partridge, in the 1937 edition of his A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, the expression is listed as “a mess.” Although the origin isn’t exactly known, it alludes to the fact that if what you don’t succeed at what you are cooking, then the results are only fit for a dog. It’s usage can be widespread – from what a messy room looks like, to how a meeting went (like the example above).  It is suggested that this dates from a time before canned dog food when a pup’s breakfast would have consisted of dinner leftovers from the night before; hence, “a mess.”

[Kristine]

1 hour ago, Longestroadhome said:

The best herb that I know of for migraines is feverfew. It grows beautifully in Australia (temperate) and is well worth having in the garden. With migraines it works best as a preventative taken in small doses on a regular basis. As little as 1ml a day in tincture form taken in tea. 1/2 teaspoon of dried herb taken as tea. You can purchase dried feverfew ready for the teapot from Austral Herbs on line. Or if you grow your own you can pick it and hang it in your kitchen to dry! It is a bitter herb so don’t expect tasty smooth tea.. it is herbal medicine after all! The bitterness is where the magic happens though 😜

 

For instant remedies peppermint is my favourite. You can dab some on your forehead then wrap a cold damp cloth over your forehead and lay down. A defuser works well alongside. Peppermint tea or chamomile sipped regularly either hot or iced. 

 

Well worth having feverfew in if migraines are an issue 👍☘️😘

Thank you my friend! I don't mind a bit of bitterness if it helps! ...I have a constant dull headache...but when the migraines hit, I find it difficult to manage.  I have a local "naturopath" store which may stock it.  I do have some peppermint tea on hand, so I'll make a pot of that.  Thinking of you LRH. Much Love and hugs. K xo

[manymoretodays]

Hey Kristine,

 

Yup.  Food for further study from Alto.  Oddly enough, I've had a bit of a headache myself.  I saw your note on having a migraine.  Using greyscale.  No purple today.

 

Interesting @Longestroadhome.  I can't tolerate a bit of Peppermint, nor Eucalyptus........ topically nor diffused when having a headache.  Sometimes they CAUSE mild headaches for me.  All things in moderation and for some things........while in W/D.........not at all.  Anyway.......with most essential oils I've gone real easy in this later part of my W/D adjustment.  And always......anything new......just pick one........and go low as far as exposure.  The cool wet cloth works well, however.......for the headaches.  Water.  Quiet.  Time away from screens certainly too.  Well, that's me.  I do love the peppermint that grows in my garden.  Kind of a wild variety.

 

And Haola.......all is well and getting better.

L, P, Healing/IR, and growth,

mmt

Edited February 24, 2018 by manymoretodays

[JustCallMeJane]

12 hours ago, Kristine said:

Hi my friend  thank you for dropping by. It's all a bit of a dogs breakfast. Actually, I don't spend a lot of time standing ..in the horizontal position mostly!  Seriously though...thank you for all your support and kindness...nausea is much better, dystonia is mostly gone and sleep has improved (huge win). Still plagued by tremors, headaches (migraine today) and sweating buckets. And the usual other BS.  But it's changing and I am definitely much better than I was 3 months ago. I hope your progress is continuing..you are often in my thoughts. Much Love and hugs. K xo

 

Yes, in my case, no news is good news. Sorry,you're dealing with a migraine. I hate those. Inevitably it puts me in a dark room with earplugs in order to deal with them. I find Tylenol for migraines helps, but alas nothing makes them go away but time. Glad the sleep pattern has improved, that should help the mood, I hope. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. HUGS. 

[Kristine]

Today is Day 26 since the Fluoxetine reduction,  Day 9 since 10% taper of dexamphetamine (17th Feb reduced from 6.25mg to 5.65mg) and Day 5 since reducing my afternoon dose of dexamphetamine by 20% (total 10% reduced from 5.65mg to 5.2mg).

 

Below is a previous post describing my symptoms just prior to tapering the Dex on the 17th of Feb.  The inserts in bold are symptom pattern experienced after this taper.....

 

On 20/02/2018 at 4:26 PM, Kristine said:

On 13/02/2018 at 5:18 PM, Kristine said:

• Every night vivid dreams and restless sleep. 3-5 hours sleep. Wake drenched in sweat but only wet PJ's..not sheets (better than before Prozac drop) wake with mild anxiety (ache in chest). Feel queasy. Extreme muscular weakness and fatigue (all day). Wake with low mood which continues throughout day. 
• 7am.  Medication - Fluoxetine 20mg, dexamphetamine 3.375mg, clonazepam 0.125mg
• 8am decreased appetite (again) 
• 9am  loose stools.  Bed, unable to stand for long, queasiness turns into nausea.(nausea has decreased slightly)
• 10am - 12pm headache, clammy hands and feet. Mild tremor in hands and legs
• 1pm Medication - dexamphetamine 2.25mg, clonazepam 0.125mg
• 2pm loose stools...headache and anxiety (tightness in chest, breathing difficulties, churning stomachs, clawing insides) ramp up in intensity..burning skin, muscular pain increases. 
• 3pm-5pm shivering (need to turn on electric blanket - it's summer here!).  Buzzing feeling in body and brain, pins and needles in palms of hands. Increasing irritability , very sweaty hands and feet
• 6pm - 9pm.  Anxiety decreases back to mild ache in chest, nausea (Queasiness) decreases slightly. Acid reflux (haven't had this symtom for a long time)...apple cider vinegar helps a little. Headache eases.
• 10pm - Medication clonazepam 0.125mg
• eventually sleep around 2am...acid reflux has been an issue. Try to sleep propped up. (One night terror on the 19th Feb 2018 4am) 

 

Below is my current symptom pattern after decreasing the afternoon dose of dexamphetamine on the 21st Feb 2018. @Altostrata

 

 

• Vivid dreams every night.  Increased sleep (average 6-7 hours). Wake every morning drenched in sweat. Wake with mild anxiety. Wake with no nausea or queasiness. Have been waking between 7-8am instead of 6am (morning mess have been Half hour to one hour later than usual. Appetite has increased. Fatigue, muscular pain and weakness continue. Low mood (improved slightly). Acid reflux has disappear for now.
• 7:30am medication Fluoxetine 20mg, clonazepam 0.125mg, deaxamphetamine 3.375mg
• 8am -10am. Improvement of bowels.  Low grade queasiness...not nausea. Headache (migraine on the 24th Feb)
• 10-12am. Onset of restlessness, increased anxiety, tremor (mainly hands)...internal vibration (not new)
• 1pm medication clonazepam 0.125mg,  dexamphetamine 1.8mg
• 2pm Loose bowels, headache continues, anxiety stays level (not spiking as before) 
• 3-5pm. Increased sweating, particually the chest, hands and feet, hairline/neck.  Queasiness not nausea.
• 6-9pm decreasing anxiety. Queaziness bearly noticeable.  Eating 'normal' family meals
• 10pm medication, clonazepam 0.125mg

Constants include headache, internal vibration, clammy hands, mild/pain ache in chest, fatigue, muscle pain, weakness.  Slow movements. Also continue to suffer from hyperreflexia if startled, the outside world remains overstimulating (eg. Loud sounds/traffic) and triggers my CNS...it's like beginning plugged into an electrical socket..every nerve is on fire and it will take me hours to recover..so, best avoided.  Body temperature regulation issued continue.. Cog fog, cognitive problems and lack of creativity continue.  No interest in past pleasures continue. However, I have been spending a little more time in the lounge room with my family. I seem less triggered by the sound of the television.  

 

Love K xo

 

[Kristine]

Sorry posted the wrote quote...just ignore this particular post

[JustCallMeJane]

14 minutes ago, Kristine said:

However, I have been spending a little more time in the lounge room with my family. I seem less triggered by the sound of the television.  

 

 

 

 

That's an excellent improvement! YAY!!! 

[Kristine]

17 minutes ago, JustCallMeJane said:

32 minutes ago, Kristine said:

However, I have been spending a little more time in the lounge room with my family. I seem less triggered by the sound of the television.  

 

 

 

 

That's an excellent improvement! YAY!!! 

 It's these little improvments that are so important ! Last night I sat and watched the new pirates of the Caribbean movie (on Netflix) with my husband and son. I only managed about 1/4 of the movie, but so wonderful just to be with my family doing something "normal"! Hugs. K xo

[JustCallMeJane]

4 minutes ago, Kristine said:

 It's these little improvments that are so important ! Last night I sat and watched the new pirates of the Caribbean movie (on Netflix) with my husband and son. I only managed about 1/4 of the movie, but so wonderful just to be with my family doing something "normal"! Hugs. K xo

 

LOL yes, even if it's only 30 minutes it's a step forward. I think I've seen everything on Netflix now. I can't do much of anything BUT watch TV. 

[Kristine]

2 minutes ago, JustCallMeJane said:

LOL yes, even if it's only 30 minutes it's a step forward. I think I've seen everything on Netflix now. I can't do much of anything BUT watch TV. 

Usually I watch Netflix on my iPad in bed. However, most of my time is spent scrolling through options...only to reaslise that nothing vaguely interests me! Or watching something really stupid and feeling I've wasted even more of my life! Eg Road house..arrhhh 🙄

[RealMe]

27 minutes ago, Kristine said:

Usually I watch Netflix on my iPad in bed. However, most of my time is spent scrolling through options...only to reaslise that nothing vaguely interests me! Or watching something really stupid and feeling I've wasted even more of my life! Eg Road house..arrhhh 🙄

Hi Kristine,

Just checking on you!  

I never used to watch television.  I am a retired teacher, so I would sit on the sofa next to my husband while he watched tv, and I would read or grade papers.  Since WD I have watched more tv than I ever did in my life!  Well, I try to watch.  Sometimes I have it on and just can't get into it.  I enjoyed The Crown and Victoria and Get Out.  My favorite is Dr. Foster.  It was so good, not predictable.  The Amazing Mrs. Maezel was good and light (I add a star because I remember the late fifties, early sixties).  I have to keep it light or I get too upset.  I tend to overreact to things.  I also like Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.  The tv and computer help distract me from certain symptoms, and I comfort myself with that rather than think about how I'm wasting precious time!

Hope you're feeling some benefits from your recent taper.

xo RM

 

[Kristine]

27 minutes ago, RealMe said:

Hi Kristine,

Just checking on you!  

I never used to watch television.  I am a retired teacher, so I would sit on the sofa next to my husband while he watched tv, and I would read or grade papers.  Since WD I have watched more tv than I ever did in my life!  Well, I try to watch.  Sometimes I have it on and just can't get into it.  I enjoyed The Crown and Victoria and Get Out.  My favorite is Dr. Foster.  It was so good, not predictable.  The Amazing Mrs. Maezel was good and light (I add a star because I remember the late fifties, early sixties).  I have to keep it light or I get too upset.  I tend to overreact to things.  I also like Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune.  The tv and computer help distract me from certain symptoms, and I comfort myself with that rather than think about how I'm wasting precious time!

Hope you're feeling some benefits from your recent taper.

xo RM

Hey RM,  Thank you for dropping by, as always it is lovely to hear from you! Thank you for sharing what you like to watch.. you have given me some ideas.  I'm more comfortable watching on my iPad because I have the sound very low and I dim the light setting...much less stimulating!  The one thing I really need to actively avoid is the news.  I find this upsetting.  The sheer amount of suffering in our world is too much for my mind process and this aggravates my symptoms. So I avoid it. I see you posted on your thread...I'll drop by soon. Love K xo

[wantrelief]

3 hours ago, Kristine said:

Usually I watch Netflix on my iPad in bed. However, most of my time is spent scrolling through options...only to reaslise that nothing vaguely interests me! Or watching something really stupid and feeling I've wasted even more of my life! Eg Road house..arrhhh 🙄

 

3 hours ago, Kristine said:

 It's these little improvments that are so important ! Last night I sat and watched the new pirates of the Caribbean movie (on Netflix) with my husband and son. I only managed about 1/4 of the movie, but so wonderful just to be with my family doing something "normal"! Hugs. K xo

Thanks so much for coming by my thread.  I was so happy to read of the improvements you have noticed.  Being able to watch part of a movie with your family is huge....just so nice to be able to do these little things again.  I so hope this just continues to grow into more moments like this for you. Your Road House comment was funny.  I used to love watching TV and movies but it is hard for me to find anything I am interested in either these days, especially during the day.  Plus I find it hard to concentrate  I do have more luck in the evenings when I feel better and my husband is here.  Definitely would second RM's recommendation of The Crown!  I will be thinking about you, Kristine, and hoping for more of these moments of "normal" in your life.

[Kristine]

16 hours ago, manymoretodays said:

Yup.  Food for further study from Alto.  Oddly enough, I've had a bit of a headache myself.  I saw your note on having a migraine.  Using greyscale.  No purple today.

 

Interesting @Longestroadhome.  I can't tolerate a bit of Peppermint, nor Eucalyptus........ topically nor diffused when having a headache.  Sometimes they CAUSE mild headaches for me.  All things in moderation and for some things........while in W/D.........not at all.  Anyway.......with most essential oils I've gone real easy in this later part of my W/D adjustment.  And always......anything new......just pick one........and go low as far as exposure.  The cool wet cloth works well, however.......for the headaches.  Water.  Quiet.  Time away from screens certainly too.  Well, that's me.  I do love the peppermint that grows in my garden.  Kind of a wild variety.

 

And Haola.......all is well and getting better.

L, P, Healing/IR, and growth,

mmt

Hey MMT,  headaches are horrible...unfortunatly an ongoing symptom of mine. I hope yours has eased.  It is so true haw sensitive we are to different smells, supplements etc...peppermint is my go to relief for headaches but it doesn't do much for migraines. Not much does unfortunately. 

 

I havent managed much reading with the CYP450 2D6 liver enzyme etc etc...but my vague understanding is a little better! 

 

Love to you. K xo

[Kristine]

Hey All, I've been surfing YouTube in the attempt to "change the channel"...The Chaser is an Australian comedy show..love this skit...(those of you who know me, know I have an odd sense of humour)! Much Love K xo

 

 

[ChessieCat]

That "cracked" me up.  How did he keep such a straight face.  Thought it hilariously when he went into the church.  Thank you for sharing.

[Kristine]

5 minutes ago, ChessieCat said:

That "cracked" me up.  How did he keep such a straight face.  Thought it hilariously when he went into the church.  Thank you for sharing.

I'm so pleased it "cracked"  you up! Sometimes we need a little comic relief through this mess.  Thank you for all you do ChessieCat, words are not enough. Love K xo

[JustCallMeJane]

You're a good egg, Kristine... a little cracked, and perhaps a bit scrambled, but a good egg none the less. 

[Kristine]

4 minutes ago, JustCallMeJane said:

You're a good egg, Kristine... a little cracked, and perhaps a bit scrambled, but a good egg none the less. 

Awwww...Thank you my friend, you say the sweetest things  

[Rosetta]

So happy to hear you had a little bit of normal time with your family! --Rosetta

[Kristine]

3 hours ago, Rosetta said:

So happy to hear you had a little bit of normal time with your family! --Rosetta

Thank you Rosetta  xo

[Kristine]

This story has a great deal of personal meaning to me.  I first read this story in one of Ajahn Brahm books "opening the door of your heart".  Lovely to hear it spoken by him. 

 

[GentleSteps]

Dear Kris,

If my non-drug coping tool-kit box could only fit one tool it would be This!  For the story and Ajahn Brahms' voice and demeanor, which embody the beautiful teaching(s) with such warmth.  

Thank you So Much for posting!  As ever, you offer healing to others in the midst of your own great turmoil.  [Bowing in thanks]

Namaste & xo

GS

 

[Kristine]

2 minutes ago, GentleSteps said:

Dear Kris,

If my non-drug coping tool-kit box could only fit one tool it would be This!  For the story and Ajahn Brahms' voice and demeanor, which embody the beautiful teaching(s) with such warmth.  

Thank you So Much for posting!  As ever, you offer healing to others in the midst of your own great turmoil.  [Bowing in thanks]

Namaste & xo

GS

 

Oh, GS  I'm so pleased you enjoyed it. I often think of this story when all I can see is the negatives.  I adore Ajahn Brahm!  If you are interested, he has many podcasts, which make wonderful bedtime listening when one is unable to sleep!  http://podcast.bswa.org

Namaste 

K xo

[GentleSteps]

Ah - thank you so much for the link to his podcasts - I love listening to dharma podcasts at night and his voice is so warm and comforting - looking so forward to tuning in!

xx GS

[DMV64]

Hi Kristine!

Checking in on you! How was your day?

<3

-D