Belajazi: My paxil adverse reaction and tapering

[Belajazi]

46 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

There are two factors that may be causing the problem. The first is, switching from 3mgai every other day to 1mgai daily is a dose reduction of over 30%.

@brassmonkey @LostInCanada

The gap between doses were two days. For examples if i take 3mg at Monday then i take my next dose on thursday. 

51 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

The second, changing from CR to liquid can cause problems.

That can be possible. But i have no choice. 

@brassmonkey @LostInCanada 

Thanks alot

Lots of prayer

[Catina7]

Thank you @brassmonkey and @Emonda.  I'm glad I was able to make a useful contribution.  🥰

[Belajazi]

17 hours ago, Catina7 said:

Thank you @brassmonkey and @Emonda.  I'm glad I was able to make a useful contribution.  🥰

@Catina7 Thanks alot catina. 

At time of trouble, a single word of hope,can give other person, hope/reason to live.  ❤

[Catina7]

How are you doing today @Belajazi?

[Belajazi]

38 minutes ago, Catina7 said:

How are you doing today @Belajazi?

@Catina7

Struggling, but yesterday was more worst. 

[Belajazi]

@LostInCanada I have notice a pattern of symptoms which are almost same from prevoius two days. 

Wake up 11 pm with intense terror

Doing house chorse for distraction 

3 pm kolonopin terror continue 

Again take care of mom other stuff 

7 to 9 pm some relief time. 

9pm paxil dose time 

10pm terror starts 

[LostInCanada]

43 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

Wake up 11 pm with intense terror

Do you mean 11am? 

44 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

9pm paxil dose time 

Are you still taking this at night? 

 

Unfortunately it sounds like typical withdrawal and I think most of this is caused by inconsistent dosing and from dropping the paxil dose so quickly in December and the cold turkey. After over a year I am still trying to stabilize. It will get better.♥️

[Belajazi]

4 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

Do you mean 11am? 

Are you still taking this at night? 

 

♥️

@LostInCanada yes 11 am

Yes, because i have to face some circumstances in prevoius few days, mother related, i am elder one, i have so much responsibility, i can't mention here.

8 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

Unfortunately it sounds like typical withdrawal and I think most of this is caused by inconsistent dosing and from dropping the paxil dose so quickly in December and the cold turkey. After over a year I am still trying to stabilize. It will get better.♥️

But terror start now, prior to paxil solution i have internal akathisia just as some insect eating my skin, or someone pour poison inside body, (the reason due to which i was wanted to taper) which is gone now.

Do you mean this terror is due to big drop which made in dec??? 

[LostInCanada]

24 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

Do you mean this terror is due to big drop which made in dec??? 

It could be. It took me 3 months after cold turkey to feel the worst effects. Some drugs like prozac can take 9 months. That's why being patient is so important because many times it takes months to see the results.

[Belajazi]

@brassmonkey if i go back to 3mg pill from 1ml solution. Does it resolve internal akathisia? Or make it more worse??? 

I can't bear terror. I should micro taper.because i had adverse reaction from paxil.  

[brassmonkey]

It may or it may not, it is impossible to tell. It probably will make it more manageable. Akathisia is one of the symptoms that shows very little pattern in how it starts and finishes. There is very little that can be done for it besides acceptance and endurance. There is a lot of information from other members, who have suffered from it, throughout the site.

 

The terror is the same way, it will come and go as it pleases. Again, there is a lot of discussion about it throughout the site.

 

A micro taper is always the best way to approach things.

[Belajazi]

9 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

It may or it may not, it is impossible to tell. It probably will make it more manageable. Akathisia is one of the symptoms that shows very little pattern in how it starts and finishes. There is very little that can be done for it besides acceptance and endurance. There is a lot of information from other members, who have suffered from it, throughout the site.

 

The terror is the same way, it will come and go as it pleases. Again, there is a lot of discussion about it throughout the site.

 

A micro taper is always the best way to approach things.

@brassmonkey thank you so much. 

[LostInCanada]

5 hours ago, Belajazi said:

if i go back to 3mg pill from 1ml solution.

This would mean taking 3.25 mg every day. You cannot skip doses. @brassmonkeyis not suggesting skipping doses.

[LostInCanada]

35 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

micro taper is always the best way to approach things.

The only way to do this is through a liquid solution. Unless you can buy a scale.

[Belajazi]

22 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

This would mean taking 3.25 mg every day. You cannot skip doses. @brassmonkeyis not suggesting skipping doses.

@LostInCanada i know he is not suggessting skip doses, i am just confuse if i go to pill then every day 3mg dose from 1ml will be too high for updosage.and after 24 days i don't know whether going back to pill at 3mg or 2mg will worse my akathisia or resolve it. Its a risk. 

Or i should slowly increases my sol dose from 1ml to 1.2 then 1.4 ,1.6 ,1.8and then at 2ml.

3ml will be more risky now. 

 

 

[LostInCanada]

14 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

Or i should slowly increases my sol dose

As mentioned, there is risk. The most I would try is 1.1 mg for a week. See what happens. I know it's stressful and you feel like you need to do something. The choice is yours. 

[PortugueseSea]

On 3/3/2024 at 6:12 AM, LostInCanada said:

Every day keep a list of symptoms and mark them 1 to 10. 10 being the worst. After a month you can see what has been improving. Stable means feeling as close to normal as possible. If you are experiencing WD symptoms and start to taper, it will get worse. It will take at least 1-3 months to figure out what your WD normal/stable is. Your body is trying to adjust which takes time.

This really helped me during my darkest days. It helps visualize recovery, it also gives your upset and obsessive brain something to do except anxiously want changes.
Please keep your dosage times and your doses stable. I understand you feel Paxil is the most prominent issue, so it makes sense to taper from there while keeping the pregabalin and the klonopin in the same place.

[PortugueseSea]

6 hours ago, brassmonkey said:

It may or it may not, it is impossible to tell. It probably will make it more manageable. Akathisia is one of the symptoms that shows very little pattern in how it starts and finishes. There is very little that can be done for it besides acceptance and endurance. There is a lot of information from other members, who have suffered from it, throughout the site.

 

The terror is the same way, it will come and go as it pleases. Again, there is a lot of discussion about it throughout the site.

Indeed, after two years of this, I consider myself a veteran akathisia and terror sufferer. They have slowly and irregularly calmed down; they are currently mild to moderate if you would like to know. I have made a lot of mistakes in my journey and I can tell you that adding more meds, or even supplements, is not likely to help with those two symptoms.

You want stability and sleep. There is little else.

Hang in there borther.

[Belajazi]

5 hours ago, PortugueseSea said:

This really helped me during my darkest days. It helps visualize recovery, it also gives your upset and obsessive brain something to do except anxiously want changes.
Please keep your dosage times and your doses stable. I understand you feel Paxil is the most prominent issue, so it makes sense to taper from there while keeping the pregabalin and the klonopin in the same place.

@LostInCanada  @PortugueseSea

I had never changed the time of paxil from previous six months. I am regularly taking paxil at night. Recently i have just changed kolonopin time .

I am regularly taking 1ml paxil at night. 

I have never changed the time of pregabalin. 

[Belajazi]

5 hours ago, PortugueseSea said:

Indeed, after two years of this, I consider myself a veteran akathisia and terror sufferer. They have slowly and irregularly calmed down; they are currently mild to moderate if you would like to know. I have made a lot of mistakes in my journey and I can tell you that adding more meds, or even supplements, is not likely to help with those two symptoms.

You want stability and sleep. There is little else.

Hang in there borther.

@PortugueseSea thank you for you advice. 

@LostInCanada

I am on kolonopin, paxil and pregabalin from prevoius six months, i have never added any other drug nor supplement.

[brassmonkey]

The only thing you want to change is the form of the dose, either liquid or solid. Keep the daily dose at the same level it is now for several weeks to let things stabilize. Then maybe you can change the dose amount. Things need to be done slowly, one step at a time.

[Belajazi]

1 minute ago, brassmonkey said:

The only thing you want to change is the form of the dose, either liquid or solid. Keep the daily dose at the same level it is now for several weeks to let things stabilize. Then maybe you can change the dose amount. Things need to be done slowly, one step at a time.

@brassmonkey what do you think, if i shift to solid pill 1mg from paxil sol 1ml, symptoms can resolve??? 

i think you were right from home made solution,chances of taking of activating practical increases. 

[Belajazi]

21 hours ago, LostInCanada said:

 you feel like you need to do something. The choice is yours. 

@LostInCanada i am asking for different methods because i am in utter hell,pure terror. 

No one can feel the pain except those who are going through this. 

I hope you understand me. 

[brassmonkey]

Yes, I think going to 1mgai of pill form would be the best way to go. After these changes and the instability, it is going to that a while for your symptoms to resolve and start to clear up. Time and patience.

[Belajazi]

Just now, brassmonkey said:

Yes, I think going to 1mgai of pill form would be the best way to go. After these changes and the instability, it is going to that a while for your symptoms to resolve and start to clear up. Time and patience.

@brassmonkey thank you so much. 🙏

[LostInCanada]

12 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

I hope you understand me. 

Of course I do. The problem is that you do not have access to a scale so unless you can buy one liquid is your only choice. 

[LostInCanada]

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[LostInCanada]

Is buying a scale an option now? @Belajazi @brassmonkey

[Belajazi]

34 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

Yes, I think going to 1mgai of pill form would be the best way to go. After these changes and the instability, it is going to that a while for your symptoms to resolve and start to clear up. Time and patience.

@LostInCanada yes i think we have option of scale. 

If i take jwel scale, then how i take reading on it. 

Jewel scale measure in carat. 

[LostInCanada]

9 minutes ago, Belajazi said:

i think we have option of scale

Good. This is what was first recommended. The pill will weigh more than 20 mg because of all the filler. Once you get the scale, I suggest weighing 10 pills together and dividing the weight by 10 to get your starting weight of a 20 mg pill. Then that weight will need to be divided by 20 to find out how much 1 mg weighs. You will be set to cut your pieces after that.👍

[Belajazi]

25 minutes ago, LostInCanada said:

Good. This is what was first recommended. The pill will weigh more than 20 mg because of all the filler. Once you get the scale, I suggest weighing 10 pills together and dividing the weight by 10 to get your starting weight of a 20 mg pill. Then that weight will need to be divided by 20 to find out how much 1 mg weighs. You will be set to cut your pieces after that.👍

@LostInCanada i think jewel scale is easily available in my area. 

[Belajazi]

@LostInCanada after arranging jewel scale if will inform you

[Walleebug]

@Belajazi. First...I'm very sorry you're going through this.  

Second....I read your post and remember how terrifying it is.  I was so afraid i would be stuck that way.  You won't be.   Please know that it does get better.   I cant give you advice on what to do with the remainder of your meds but i can give you advice on getting through the terror and agitation.   Listening to anti anxiety meditations on YouTube helped me a lot.  I spent many days and months deep breathing and listening to the soothing music and voices.  Distraction by doing housework is very helpful when you're able.  I kept a deck of cards that I would play "highest card" with.  Just the constant movement of my hands helped relieve some of the energy my body was producing.   I also crotched a lot.  Anything you can find to do that stimulates your hands and mind was very helpful to me.    Just remember this will end and your mind will be peaceful again.   I'm in a wave of bad vibrations and buzzing right now but the terror no longer exists.  I go through windows where I barely notice the vibrations and buzzing.   You will heal too.

[Belajazi]

10 minutes ago, Walleebug said:

@Belajazi. First...I'm very sorry you're going through this.  

Second....I read your post and remember how terrifying it is.  I was so afraid i would be stuck that way.  You won't be.   Please know that it does get better.   I cant give you advice on what to do with the remainder of your meds but i can give you advice on getting through the terror and agitation.   Listening to anti anxiety meditations on YouTube helped me a lot.  I spent many days and months deep breathing and listening to the soothing music and voices.  Distraction by doing housework is very helpful when you're able.  I kept a deck of cards that I would play "highest card" with.  Just the constant movement of my hands helped relieve some of the energy my body was producing.   I also crotched a lot.  Anything you can find to do that stimulates your hands and mind was very helpful to me.    Just remember this will end and your mind will be peaceful again.   I'm in a wave of bad vibrations and buzzing right now but the terror no longer exists.  I go through windows where I barely notice the vibrations and buzzing.   You will heal too.

@Walleebug Thanks alot for checking me ❤ i will definitely try.

Needs prayers.  

 

[brassmonkey]

You need to be careful with buying a jeweler's scale. Many of them are not refined enough, they only go to 0.01g whereas we need them to go to 0.001g. There is a big price difference between the two. A jeweler's scale will work but the lower doses will be harder to figure out.

 

Many jewelers' scales read in both carats and grams. There is an easy conversion if they don't.

 

1carat = 200mg

[Belajazi]

6 minutes ago, brassmonkey said:

You need to be careful with buying a jeweler's scale. Many of them are not refined enough, they only go to 0.01g whereas we need them to go to 0.001g. There is a big price difference between the two. A jeweler's scale will work but the lower doses will be harder to figure out.

 

Many jewelers' scales read in both carats and grams. There is an easy conversion if they don't.

 

1carat = 200mg

@brassmonkey It will take some time, but i will buy carefully. 

One miligram scale is available but too much expensive. 

Thank you @brassmonkey