luv2knit Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hang in there with us, Muddles. This is the one place we can say what we really feel. <3 Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted February 7, 2016 Administrator Share Posted February 7, 2016 Muddles, the emotional anesthesia is very frightening, but it will pass. Instead of worrying and brooding, work your emotional muscles as much as you can. Try the photo walk exercise: Take a nice walk every day and take photos of anything that seems the least bit interesting, pretty, or cheerful to you. Then, when you feel down, look back at the photos. A little walk each day will do you good, too, plus exposure to natural light. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
legan Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 You made me desperate Desperate Alcohol for 10 years then benzo for 6 months to help with alcohol then psychosis , and took esctiolpram 20 mg and sulipride 200 mg . quit date 17 -12 -2015 Link to comment
SelmaLady Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Muddles, since I have experienced what you are describing and that it lasted for nearly 4 years before I saw any real improvement, I can completely understand what you are describing. It seems so "not human" that somehow you feel that you've got to tell someone about it. And many times, over and over because it continues to be inhuman. I do agree with Alto that you need to do some "normal' things even while your brain is working its way to coming back on line. I began by cooking things tho I had to read the recipe one line at a time. I also walked a lot, mostly because my brain was so frozen that I felt that I would drown in it. I'm just thinking that, by taking on some kinds of normal behaviors, it signals your brain that it has to work harder to reconnect pathways that are not functioning as they are designed to do. In time, you will experience the monumental repair that your brain is doing now. I never had, nor do I now have, distinct windows and waves but an ever improved baseline as the months and years went by. I absolutely know that you will recover too. This is not your final destination by any means!! 1971-81 Valium 5mg c/t PAWS 1992- through now Zoloft 25mg 2003-05 Valium 12mg Slow Taper Off 2013 Afrin Exposure to CNS 2013 O/D Val 230mg 2013 Doxepin 50mg Clonidine 2mg Zoloft 25mg 3/15/16 Doxepin 49mg Micro Tapering Zoloft 24.3mg Holding taper 3/15/16 Clonidine mg 0.1 1/2 - Decreasing incrementally. DISCONTINUED 10/9/16 Doxepin 48.9 Zoloft 24.3 Clonidine 01.10 Continuing micro taper on Doxepin. 11/16/16 Doxepin 48mg Zoloft 24.3mg Clonidine 1.30mg 5/4/17 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 24mg Clonidine 1.20mg Micro taper of Doxepin , Clonidine 01/13/19 Doxepin 45mg Zoloft 21mg Will start Micro taper of Doxepin 2/19 12/21/21 Doxepin 20 mg ? Reducing using water micro taper--Pulling 24ml from 75ml 12/2121 Zoloft .060 grams by weight--HOLDING (info from post added by CC: On 12/21/21 my dosage was .060grams by weight or 20mg. ) 26 Apr 2022 - Zoloft at -0- Link to comment
btdt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hugs to you Muddles It will pass as for the foot drag maybe he is right at the same time I had the head drop they came together... a rose by any other name is still a rose and it sure was scary and I am sure it was E related... other wise the neurologist would not have pulled the E starting me on this lovely ride... Post isng you need to or want to and know your not the worst sites like this have seen... not by a long shot. I recall doing the same thing from time to time... What you have now is known to me too... I am sorry your there. It will ease and if your luckier than I am it may even stay gone... one day. For me at this point it seems drugs can put me back there even when I am careful with what I take... like dental freezing ect. I so wish you peace hugs Muddles WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hang in there with us, Muddles. This is the one place we can say what we really feel. <3thank you Luv. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Muddles, the emotional anesthesia is very frightening, but it will pass. Instead of worrying and brooding, work your emotional muscles as much as you can. Try the photo walk exercise: Take a nice walk every day and take photos of anything that seems the least bit interesting, pretty, or cheerful to you. Then, when you feel down, look back at the photos. A little walk each day will do you good, too, plus exposure to natural light. Thanks Alto. I try and walk as much as I can - when the pain is not so bad. We have the worst weather here - British weather sucks! It really does effect me in such a big way. I noticed this as soon as summer ended last year. I have said over and over that I need to get my camera out again but apathy stinks. I will try though. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Muddles, since I have experienced what you are describing and that it lasted for nearly 4 years before I saw any real improvement, I can completely understand what you are describing. It seems so "not human" that somehow you feel that you've got to tell someone about it. And many times, over and over because it continues to be inhuman. I do agree with Alto that you need to do some "normal' things even while your brain is working its way to coming back on line. I began by cooking things tho I had to read the recipe one line at a time. I also walked a lot, mostly because my brain was so frozen that I felt that I would drown in it. I'm just thinking that, by taking on some kinds of normal behaviors, it signals your brain that it has to work harder to reconnect pathways that are not functioning as they are designed to do. In time, you will experience the monumental repair that your brain is doing now. I never had, nor do I now have, distinct windows and waves but an ever improved baseline as the months and years went by. I absolutely know that you will recover too. This is not your final destination by any means!! Thank you selma. I know you have said this so many times to me but it's like I just don't believe it.....like how could this ever heal? I Did think it was getting a little easier but recently hit with such severe symptoms. Last year I didn't even know how to change the bed. I do now, so maybe that part of my brain is recovering a little. Thank you Selma. I will read your post over and over again. I need to believe this will get better. I know I'm in it for the long haul but I wouldn't care if I had to do it for years - as long as there was something at the end of it....some kind of livable life. That's all we need right?! 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hugs to you Muddles It will pass as for the foot drag maybe he is right at the same time I had the head drop they came together... a rose by any other name is still a rose and it sure was scary and I am sure it was E related... other wise the neurologist would not have pulled the E starting me on this lovely ride... Post isng you need to or want to and know your not the worst sites like this have seen... not by a long shot. I recall doing the same thing from time to time... What you have now is known to me too... I am sorry your there. It will ease and if your luckier than I am it may even stay gone... one day. For me at this point it seems drugs can put me back there even when I am careful with what I take... like dental freezing ect. I so wish you peace hugs Muddles I was looking through your posts the other day. It seems you were doing better at 5 years off until you had that accident. You had antibiotics and pain meds. I am wondering what these were? Do you think you floxed yourself? So many people get sick years after being better from taking antibiotics and other things. One lady took antibiotics after an accident and she didn't get hit till after she stopped the antibioitics - just like these psych MEDS. she was doing a lot better before the accident and medications. It's mind blowing. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Can someone lock this thread please? I don't think I'm doing myself or anyone else any good posting here anymore. I get desperate and don't think before I come and post. I would rather not have that option. You the have right to for express yourself, pal, to unburden (if my English is right)... A hug. Thanks Pal. Lots of love and hugs to you. I think of you often. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 Lidocaine I think. You are doing fine. I don't think you need locking or your intro. does. I understand the horror and all the yuck you describe. Even the feeling like you have become some menace to the forum here. You are not. You are describing what I am feeling at times too. I have even had some frontal head pressure that is new and leads to automatic thoughts of it's all over. Thoughts that this really is the end of my life not just withdrawal anymore. Then they finally go. I am not hearing desperate but good descriptions of stuff that I can't describe and then I just say........thank God.......me too..........it's almost comforting. This stuff is awful........horrible...........and I hope we both forget it when it is gone. It will be gone someday. It will. Stay with us. Let us hold you on up for a bit and understand. thank you for your kind words. I just don't like scaring people. I hold back so much with people incase I make them worse. I never know what to say and struggle to support anyone. I lose the plot though and can't help but shout from the roof tops. Everyone hears me then but it doesn't usually help in real life. It usually drives people away and makes them feel bad so I will go quiet. Then people think I am better! It's so hard. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Hugs to you Muddles It will pass as for the foot drag maybe he is right at the same time I had the head drop they came together... a rose by any other name is still a rose and it sure was scary and I am sure it was E related... other wise the neurologist would not have pulled the E starting me on this lovely ride... Post isng you need to or want to and know your not the worst sites like this have seen... not by a long shot. I recall doing the same thing from time to time... What you have now is known to me too... I am sorry your there. It will ease and if your luckier than I am it may even stay gone... one day. For me at this point it seems drugs can put me back there even when I am careful with what I take... like dental freezing ect. I so wish you peace hugs Muddles I was looking through your posts the other day. It seems you were doing better at 5 years off until you had that accident. You had antibiotics and pain meds. I am wondering what these were? Do you think you floxed yourself? So many people get sick years after being better from taking antibiotics and other things. One lady took antibiotics after an accident and she didn't get hit till after she stopped the antibioitics - just like these psych MEDS. she was doing a lot better before the accident and medications. It's mind blowing. It could be who can be sure with the mix we get I surely can't know. I was on levaquin for only a few days I had it changed at a different clinic Xmass eve I could not finish the bottle it was that bad pneumonia or not... I was put on a different antibiotic. Life is not tidy like a scientific study it never will be which is one of the reason this keeps snowballing for pharma drugs are so used..mixed and matched in our society they will always point the finger at the other drug... if you have been on 2 psych drugs they will point to the other or if you have two issues bingo same thing... we never get anywhere just dig ourselves into a deeper hole or so it seems. Still laying around with untreated pneumonia and broken bones does not seem like a good answer either... life in a bubble is not always an option though I have admit a good part of wd my life has been bubble like in and out of the bubble. I look at Alto it took her 9 years I am at 8 she did not get floxed it is hard to say... without an accident how I would have healed from then on we will never know. It may well have been I was in a good window that would have ended the accident surely compromised my chances of a sooner recovery.. trauma sick pain none of that is good ever in wd it is just worse. WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
btdt Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Muddles, the emotional anesthesia is very frightening, but it will pass. Instead of worrying and brooding, work your emotional muscles as much as you can. Try the photo walk exercise: Take a nice walk every day and take photos of anything that seems the least bit interesting, pretty, or cheerful to you. Then, when you feel down, look back at the photos. A little walk each day will do you good, too, plus exposure to natural light. Thanks Alto. I try and walk as much as I can - when the pain is not so bad. We have the worst weather here - British weather sucks! It really does effect me in such a big way. I noticed this as soon as summer ended last year. I have said over and over that I need to get my camera out again but apathy stinks. I will try though. How I walked when I was in pain... I made heat packs out of lin seeds is that the name of them flax.... seeds I sewed them put them in the microwave and heated them up tied them to my body and walked when it was freezing out... if you over heat them they stink... but that is what I did after a long time laying down I thought I have to move so I did... a bit at a time mostly after I ate as I could not digest food if I didn't walk... it was more a survival thing than a picture thing to start but it became a picture thing later... I am not doing this any longer as all my packs are wore out and in the garbage... very over used.. time to make some more I guess when I get around to it and I am not in a hurry just yet... see I can talk too but doing is not the same... I don't think your scary too many people you need to voice yourself too.... your helping many who can not put words to the experience even me when I was like this I could not say it your giving a voice to many... keep posting what you want. There will always be new ones who are freaked and need calming but there has to be room for everyone... keep and eye out for them and if you can';t calm them contact a mod... that is what I do. wishing you peace Muddles WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Petunia Posted February 9, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 9, 2016 Thinking of you Muddles (((hugs))) I'm not a doctor. My comments are not medical advise. These are my opinions based on my own experience and what I've learned. Please discuss your situation with a medical practitioner who has knowledge of tapering and withdrawal...if you are lucky enough to find one. My Introduction Thread Full Drug and Withdrawal History Brief Summary Several SSRIs for 13 years starting 1997 (for mild to moderate partly situational anxiety) Xanax PRN ~ Various other drugs over the years for side effects 2 month 'taper' off Lexapro 2010 Short acute withdrawal, followed by 2 -3 months of improvement then delayed protracted withdrawal DX ADHD followed by several years of stimulants and other drugs trying to manage increasing symptoms Failed reinstatement of Lexapro and trial of Prozac (became suicidal) May 2013 Found SA, learned about withdrawal, stopped taking drugs...healing begins. Protracted withdrawal, with a very sensitized nervous system, slowly recovering as time passes Supplements which have helped: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Taurine Bad reactions: Many supplements but mostly fish oil and Vitamin D June 2016 - Started daily juicing, mostly vegetables and lots of greens. Aug 2016 - Oct 2016 Best window ever, felt almost completely recovered Oct 2016 -Symptoms returned - bad days and less bad days. April 2018 - No windows, but significant improvement, it feels like permanent full recovery is close. VIDEO: Where did the chemical imbalance theory come from? VIDEO: How are psychiatric diagnoses made? VIDEO: Why do psychiatric drugs have withdrawal syndromes? VIDEO: Can psychiatric drugs cause long-lasting negative effects? VIDEO: Dr. Claire Weekes Link to comment
AliG Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Muddles. I'm so sorry for what you're going through . Obviously , it's going to take a while, but we are all here for you, with support , empathy and encouragement. ((((( hugs ))))) Many SSRI's and SSNRI's over 20 years. Zoloft for 7 years followed by Effexor, Lexapro, Prozac, Cymbalta, Celexa, Pristiq, Valdoxan, Mianserin and more - on and off. No tapering. Cold turkey off Valdoxan - end of May 2014 Psych Drug - free since May 2014 . Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Fresh Posted February 12, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 12, 2016 How are you doing with the walks Miss Muddles? 1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg 2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months. July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months. Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg. October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive. March 2016 , 21mg Link to comment
btdt Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Your are on my mind and in my prayers Muddles just want you to know that. peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Thanks guys. The whole of January from start to finish was probably the worst month I've had in this. Towards the end of last week I went the total opposite way - was experiencing some kind of mania. Although this was very uncomfortable, it was easier to deal with than the suicidal depression....I honestly nearly didn't make it through. The mania calmed down and I was blessed with a few decent days. Monday I managed to go out with a friend and the children and had one the best days I've had in a very long time. I couldn't believe I could go from what I was to that!! I think I probably pushed myself too much and ate stuff I wasn't supposed to eat but I've been hit with pain, headaches and the normal crap again....I suppose this is just how it goes but I was hoping it would last a bit longer as the children are off school!! It's strange because at the time I actually was convinced that healing was possible and that maybe I could have a life again yet now I can't remember how that felt or if it actually really happened?! I just pray I have more of those doable days and for the life of me pray - that I never see a repeat of January ever again....it was just horrific. I can't even bare to think about it. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Moderator Emeritus Fresh Posted February 17, 2016 Moderator Emeritus Share Posted February 17, 2016 Thank golly goodness for that Muddles , and welcome back. You know it's always a worry when someone disappears. Here's to many more doable days. 1987-1997 pertofran , prothiaden , Prozac 1997-2002 Zoloft 2002-2004 effexor 2004-2010 Lexapro 40mg 2010-2012Cymbalta 120mg Sept. 2012 -decreased 90mg in 6months. Care taken over by Dr Lucire in March 2013 , decreased last 30mg at 2mg per week over 3 months. July 21 , 2013- last dose of Cymbalta Protracted withdrawal syndrome kicked in badly Jan.2014 Unrelenting akathisia until May 2014. Voluntary hosp. admission. Cocktail of Seroquel, Ativan and mirtazapine and I was well enough to go home after 14 days. Stopped all hosp. meds in next few months. July 2014 felt v.depressed - couldn't stop crying. Started pristiq 50mg. Felt improvement within days and continued to improve, so stayed on 50mg for 8 months. Began taper 28 Feb. 2015. Pristiq 50mg down to 45mg. Had one month of w/d symptoms. Started CES therapy in March. No w/d symptoms down to 30mg. October 2015 , taking 25mg Pristiq. Capsules compounded with slow-release additive. March 2016 , 21mg Link to comment
Mentor ang Posted February 17, 2016 Mentor Share Posted February 17, 2016 Hi Muddles and luv t knit............ I havent read your threads for a while. Muddles, I know exactly how you feel, my January was damn awful also. I actually had two wonderful weeks before christmas! I am hanging on to the memory. I also felt I shouldnt post when I feel bad, but I think that is just a part of the healing, sort of feeling so bad about ourselves, we dont even feel we are worthy of posting, and sharing our problems. Glad you are out of the abysmal depths (i am grateful I am also)............ so all we have to do is tread water, and keep our noses up and out of the ****. And I have to train my mind, not to be terrified of going into that black abyss again......... I guess if I made it through last month, I hope I can do it again, if need be. Hugs Muddlesxx 1992 Dothiepin 375mg 8 weeks, exhaustion/depression. Serotonin syndrome, oh yes! seizures . Fell pregnant, 3rd baby, Nitrous Oxide, 3 weeks mental hospital pp psychosis. zoloft tegretol. Feb 1996 ct tegretol, tapered Zoloft 8 weeks. as (unexpectedly) pregnant. Steven died after 3 days.(Zolft HLHS baby). 98 had run in with Paxil, 2 tablets, 3 weeks taper, survived.2005..menopause? exhausted again. Zyprexa, mad in three days, fallout.... Seroquel, Effexor, tegretol, and 8 years of self destruction. Failed taper.Damn 1/4 valium... nuts again! .fallout, zoloft 100mg seroquol 400mg mirtazapine 45 mg tegretol 400mg. Mid 14 3 month taper. Nov 14 CRASH.Mid 15 .... 75mg seroquel, 3 x 1800mg SJW 2 week window end of December followed by 6 week wave5/2 68mg seroquel, 2.5 x 1800mg SJW::::20/2 61mg seroquel, 2.5 x SJW::: 26/2 54mg seroquel, 2 x SJW::::21/3 43mg seroquel, 1 x 2700SJW :::: 23/4 36mg seroquel 1 x 1800 SJW15/5 33mg seroquel, 1 x SJW:::: 28/5 30mg seroquel, 1 x SJW::::; 18/6 25mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::::, 11/7 21mg seroquel 1/2 SJW::, 26/7 18mg seroquel 1/2 SJW:::, 9/8 12mg seroquel :::, 16/8 6mg seroquel ;;;;, 12/9 0 jump. 23/9 3mg....., 27/9 0mg. Reinstated, 6mg, then 12mg............. LIGHTBULB MOMENT, I have MTHFR 2x mutations. CFS and issues with MOULD in my home. So I left home, and working 150km away during week, loving it. Oh was hard, panic attacks first week, gone now, along with the mould issues. Link to comment
luv2knit Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Oh, Muddles!! So glad you saw some daylight! Hopefully it will just keep getting better and better from there! Often it seems when I go through a really rough patch, I will come out of it with an improved baseline. Hoping this is the case for you as well!! XOXO Zoloft 100 mg. daily for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome since Oct. 1994 / Synthroid 88 mcg. daily / Supplements: Neptune Krill Oil-1,000 mg. twice daily/Astaxanthin 10 mg. twice daily/Ubiquinol 100 mg. twice daily (These 3 have allowed me to discontinue (approved by doctor) bp meds I was on. Calcium Citrate 500 mg. daily/Vitamin D3 2,400 iu daily/K2 (MK7) 100 mcg daily (osteopenia and fam. hist. of severe osteoporosis). Stress B Complex (1/2 dose)/Quercetin (for allergies/asthma)/Magnesium (400 mg. oral glycinate and about 50 mg. magnesium chloride spray oil a day, divided throughout day). Tapered Zoloft about 6 wks. Totally off since the end of July (25-29, 2014). 3 wks. vertigo at end of taper, then 3-4 wks. OK, followed by withdrawal symptoms increasing in severity (nausea, gastric disturbances, loss of appetite, insomnia, restlessness, jitters, anxiety, agitation--jumping out of my skin--possible akathisia?) Seem to have paradoxical reactions to everything new, even Vitamin C. Severity of akathisia comes and goes, but is constant to some degree. Hard to leave house, and cannot be home alone. (Retired) Link to comment
btdt Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 And that my dear friend is how it goes ... the real test is can I keep on going when it looks as though this is going to be a long term thing just when I am sure I can't I get a good window... then I am sure this is the end of it I have had my very last "episode" I can't help but wonder if life ran more smoothly if I would be done with this by now or am I just a lifer... I can't say it is that unnerving never knowing always wanting to be well and barely recalling what well looked like... the ups and downs when it is not lasting... those are the things that really kick my ass... and while I love to see people here recover and take flight ... it also hurts to feel always left behind standing on the porch waiting on a ride that never shows up to take me to the dance. Inside all that is a strength that grows and maintains tho the darkest days and though it cannot be seen or heard or really even felt we know it is there and growing with every battle... one day should this war be won... I am going to take it out and have a serious look at it... may build a statue to honour it... honouring the bits that keep us surviving is something maybe I can only do when it is done but I do see others who can do it as they go... to each there own... this is just a thought to pass to you as the warrior is lives inside you and it deserves some respect not only from ourselves but from others... and maybe some day we will have it... Not sure if that is just drivel or if it means something to anybody other than myself I am trying to pass something un named to you or perhaps just pointing out something un named I see in you... something I know is there... sorry I have lost the plot on this ... still I wish you peace B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Cherry47 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I hear what you are saying!!!!!! Chronic Fatigue Syndrome for 32 years, given AD for this condition alone in 2000 Zoloft 100mg for 15 years, last five of these complained about adverse effects, unable to tolerate other meds even supplements Slowly felt sicker, advised by different Dr maybe on ads for too long Cut back 100 - 50 over 6 months, still getting worse, so stopped over about 6 weeks starting Dec 2014 First month, slow, emotional, useless then POW! Horrendous withdrawal symptoms, completely non-functional for about five months, slowly started to come back to life and continue with waves and windows, still more bad than good, but bads are less bad, and goods slightly better each time Link to comment
legan Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hi muddles . Im sorry for whats happining to you . Can i know summary of your current situation and if you take something or not .as your thread very long and cause of the withdrawls i cant read it Alcohol for 10 years then benzo for 6 months to help with alcohol then psychosis , and took esctiolpram 20 mg and sulipride 200 mg . quit date 17 -12 -2015 Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 I wondered if anyone could pipe in here and maybe give me some answers. I am 18 months off and have hit an awful place. It started with the usual cortisol through the night. Now it's happeneing in the day. I suddenly get this awful doom, deep depression kind of feeling wash over me like I just need to die. It's not anxiety because I know what that feels like. My vision goes funny and my insides hurt. There are lots of gut noises going on when this happens. Once it calms down my frontal lobe goes even more dead than what it normally is. I am totally locked out of life. What would you say this is? I have an awful taste all of the time - my children have noticed a smell on my breath again. I thought at first this could be lined the the chemcial / emf sensitivities as they have been so bad but now I just don't know. This morning I couldn't keep my eyes open - the awful toxic coma type sleep. I know I have been severe but this is something else. I dont know what's going on. Please - if you have any idea can you let me know. I was just about holding my head above the water and now this. I can't do it anymore. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
direstraits Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 I really don't have any advice, but btdt had mentioned how some people seem to hit a rough patch at 18 mos. off... so sorry ,you've suffered so much already....hope you see some relief soon....xoxo went on Prozac 1994-99,60mg.poopout ct back on 2001-2002,prozac weekly 2002,not working,Effexor 75 mg.?2003-mar.2004 gaining weight 8wk. taper,wellbutrin 150 mg.mar. -may 2004 ctmedfree til july 2005 back to Prozac gaining weight again,back on wellbutrin jan.2006150-300 mg.bad constipation.also was taking aygestin(hormone)perimenopausal irregular bleeding.back on Prozac around sept,?2006,hysterectomy jan30.2007(adenomyosis)off&on Prozac til 2009,citalopram about 1 mo, April 2010 no effect,Effexor again may -mar, 2011.ct,Prozac aug,-dec, 2011 &sept-nov 2012,paroxetine oct,23 2013-may 4 2014 20 mgs.tapered 6 wks.-failed RI in Oct.2014-in protracted WD.started 10 mgs. Fluoxetine May 25 2021 .Stopped fluoxetine May 2022 at 5 mgs. Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 Thanks direstraits . Hope you are coping. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I was sure I started a thread about it here too and yet I do not see it... the thread was frowned upon at the time I started it. I searched it is not here. There was also a thread same words in the title 18 months... at pp and effexor topix I know because I put them there...all my posts at pp were erased so it will not be there even if a person could get into it.. and the topix site is only on wayback even at that a lot of entries are gone some I know should be there are gone. So Muddles unless you want to start a new thread under that title it seems your not going to find much if you search this site you will see what some others had to say about 18 months off. When I started it the first time on pp I was given a lecture... and other people who were having the same issues around that same time sent me pm saying hey I don't need the crap but I have this too.. that is how it went. So your not alone. How it seems to me a long tough wave hit me at that time and was relentless and dark... I was sure before then that I was almost done... seems I was almost done one stage and ushering in the next... that is hindsight. A lot of people hit that 18 months timeline and sail onwards from there finishing up there wd process in a year or so more...others get this crushing wd that shifts and grates to a halt... with different symptoms that would be me and others who answered that post. I suggested years ago that perhaps there was another cycle like the circadian rhythm that we had messed up... circadian rhythm would be responsible for the multitude of posts about "4AM" so many of them over the last nine years I can't count that high... it comes up over and over. I notice patterns easily when my brain is working use to love games of that sort... here are the patterns I have noticed on wd sites 4am - people are getting up or going to bed at this time it comes up in posts repeatedly 18 months same deal it varies by 2 months either side relationship breakdown marriages destroyed by antidepressants posts on that site were textbook in how they panned out started a drug changed did not love me bam had an affair or left me then had an affair... of course health issues too ... usually corresponding to particular drugs effexor ... early menopause is a big one hormone issues.. that list is just too long for me today. Not sure if this is of any use as nobody is looking if I ran a lab I would be interviewing people in wd to find out why all these things are happening over and over... but wait they don't need a lab they have wd websites where in an effort to heal and help others in this hell they get all the information for free so they can create the next line of helpful drugs based on what they learn.. I truly believe the last statement... and have thought of just not talking anymore.. insult to injury if you know what I mean make them dot he work themselves sit here for 9 years and read the posts... or show me the money... Not sure where that leaves you Muddles it is of no help on it own just another bit of wd trivia. wishing you peace... How is your health? WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 Thanks btdt. How long did that long relentless wave last at 18 months? I am in hell. The depression is off the charts - never felt anything like this. I can't leave my bed at all again. Health wise I don't have any trouble - only the issue you know about which I'm sure is making things worse but can't see how it would be making it this bad. Recovery from this awful damage seems impossible and I don't know what to do about it. This the third Easter in this and I'm worse than I ever have been. I can't keep going on like this. Ive passed my limits. I'm tired of being tortured. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Hormones love... that is making it all worse. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/2011-hormone-pills-birth-control-causing-relapse/ Take it easy may be the cause of what you suspected was an 18 month thing or could be a double whammy thing is it does not matter at the end of the day it is what it is and you will make it thru it... whatever the cause. wishing you peace and healing B WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 I suspect hormones too has a big effect but I also had a huge awful wave similar to this back in January. The most awful, toxic, psychotic depression. I have to go and have a procedure in this state on Tuesday. They have to give me local anesthetic which I am very worried about. Thanks for stopping by btdt. I always am so grateful for your support. I hope you are ok? 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 27, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 27, 2016 It sounds like you might have to attend to your gut. Are you eating well, avoiding sugar and artificial ingredients? Drinking lots of water? Is it possible you have a cold? It's a good thing you can sleep. I would do that as much as possible, it's healing. This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 I have been very strict with my diet. No sugar - I'm eating mostly meat, vegetables, eggs and fish. I drink lots of water. I know I have a big issue with not being able to detox and am aware that it effects my gut. An exposure to any chemcial or nasty leaves me very ill - stomach pains and strange gut sounds. I have been taking activated charcoal when that happens and it seems to help. Sleep is around 4 hours a night at the moment. Toxic naps throughout the day sometimes which I try to avoid as they make me worse but it's impossible to stay awake. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
Administrator Altostrata Posted March 27, 2016 Administrator Share Posted March 27, 2016 Why do you call them "toxic" naps??? What do you mean by "detox"? Whatever it is that upsets your stomach, stop eating it. Are you eating anything that comes in cans? Leftovers? Smoked or preserved meat or fish? Drinking a lot of coffee? Some people lose the ability to digest milk as they grow older. Are you consuming milk, cream cheese, etc.? Please see Important topics about tests, supplements, treatments, diet This is not medical advice. Discuss any decisions about your medical care with a knowledgeable medical practitioner. "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has surpassed our humanity." -- Albert Einstein All postings © copyrighted. Link to comment
Muddles Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share Posted March 27, 2016 By toxic naps I mean it is not real sleep - it feels like a sleep that would be induced by a drug or alcahol...wake up feeling hungover and disorientated. Detox - what I mean is that if I am exposed to something my body doesn't like...any chemicals, it will make me very sick. I am on a healing forum and a couple have suggested that I'm not detoxing properly. I don't know but the chemical sensitivity is a very difficult, disabling condition on its own. I don't drink milk as I only used to have it in tea which I cannot tolerate at all, no coffee either. Have not had anything from a can in a long time and the meat we buy is fresh organic. Thanks for the link. I will take a look. 2008 - Doctors appointment with stress induced anxiety led to Citalopram prescription. Severe adverse reaction Mirtazapine prescribed - adverse reaction but told to stay on. Poop out - December 2013 15mg Currently on 13.5mg, April 12mg May 10th - 11mg June 10th - 10mg July 8th - 9mg September - 0mg Link to comment
btdt Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I have the chemical issue too and was looking at this https://www.mindmeister.com/12694596/mthfr-related-health-problems on the left side it say toxin control is related. I know you did the 23 and me thing.. and the page that linked me to that diagram goes into that a bit.. maybe there is a clue on that page. http://www.jdmoyer.com/2011/09/03/b-vitamins-mood-and-methylation-its-complicated/ all I found there was this Some doctors use testing from Genova Diagnostics, such as one called the NutrEval, possibly in conjunction with others to get a better picture of what is going on and how your methylation is going, and general health. The solution to the methylation may be a matter of not just supplementing, but healing your gut, addressing sleep issues, hormone issues, and generally taking a look at general health. " Common themes seem to be avoidance of gluten and casein, adding supplements to either slow down or speed up methylation processes (depending on the condition), balancing copper/zinc levels, and troubleshooting bottlenecks in various detoxification processes (phenols, sulfur metabolism, etc.)." Somebody made this comment . I had the testing done and know that I am double positive for COMT V158M and COMT H62H which I guess is why I can’t tolerate the methyl donors did you have any of these on your test from 23 and me? Need some body who knows how to interpret the results that is not me. But he has a link on his site to the detox site http://www.detoxpuzzle.com/about.php first page ", I stumbled across getting my MTHFR gene tested. While I was trying to understand what the results meant (I'm heterozygous for both the A1298C and C677T polymorphisms), the stars aligned and I discovered the world of nutritional biochemistry. It's complicated. But so fun and interesting." http://tuberose.com/Liver_Detoxification.html liver and detox will take a year to learn and I know I will forget it.. but it may be of use to you peace WARNING THIS WILL BE LONG Had a car accident in 85 Codeine was the pain med when I was release from hosp continuous use till 89 Given PROZAC by a specialist to help with nerve pain in my leg 89-90 not sure which year Was not told a thing about it being a psych med thought it was a pain killer no info about psych side effects I went nuts had hallucinations. As I had a head injury and was diagnosed with a concussion in 85 I was sent to a head injury clinic in 1990 five years after the accident. I don't think they knew I had been on prozac I did not think it a big deal and never did finish the bottle of pills. I had tests of course lots of them. Was put into a pain clinic and given amitriptyline which stopped the withdrawal but had many side effects. But I could sleep something I had not done in a very long time the pain lessened. My mother got cancer in 94 they switched my meds to Zoloft to help deal with this pressure as I was her main care giver she died in 96. I stopped zoloft in 96 had withdrawal was put on paxil went nutty quit it ct put on resperidol quit it ct had withdrawal was put on Effexor... 2years later celexa was added 20mg then increased to 40mg huge personality change went wild. Did too fast taper off Celexa 05 as I felt unwell for a long time prior... quit Effexor 150mg ct 07 found ****** 8 months into withdrawal learned some things was banned from there in 08 have kept learning since. there is really not enough room here to put my history but I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things especially any of the drugs mentioned above. One thing I would like to add here is this tidbit ALL OPIATES INCREASE SEROTONIN it is not a huge jump to being in chronic pain to being put on an ssri/snri and opiates will affect your antidepressants and your thinking. As I do not update much I will put my quit date Nov. 17 2007 I quit Effexor cold turkey. http://survivingantidepressants.org/index.php?/topic/1096-introducing-myself-btdt/ There is a crack in everything ..That's how the light gets in Link to comment
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